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Post by briancpalmer on Feb 16, 2023 15:13:14 GMT -8
So, maybe this is reading between the lines broadly, or maybe this reading specifically in connection with the logistics of a possible Karlsson-to-EDM deal, but get a load of Woodcroft's expressions during the final six or seven seconds of this video. Note that Puljujarvi is one of the three players highlighted at the start of the brief video clip. There's something to be said for seeing what you want to see, but this guy knows something is up.
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Post by bellizar on Feb 16, 2023 15:27:45 GMT -8
So, maybe this is reading between the lines broadly, or maybe this reading specifically in connection with the logistics of a possible Karlsson-to-EDM deal, but get a load of Woodcroft's expressions during the final six or seven seconds of this video. Note that Puljujarvi is one of the three players highlighted at the start of the brief video clip. There's something to be said for seeing what you want to see, but this guy knows something is up. Interesting I would be shocked if Karlsson happens tomorrow, if he is not in the lineup against vegas i will belive it but I don't think that will happen.
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Post by briancpalmer on Feb 16, 2023 15:41:25 GMT -8
So, maybe this is reading between the lines broadly, or maybe this reading specifically in connection with the logistics of a possible Karlsson-to-EDM deal, but get a load of Woodcroft's expressions during the final six or seven seconds of this video. Note that Puljujarvi is one of the three players highlighted at the start of the brief video clip. There's something to be said for seeing what you want to see, but this guy knows something is up. Interesting I would be shocked if Karlsson happens tomorrow, if he is not in the lineup against vegas i will belive it but I don't think that will happen. Lost in all the trade hubbub is the fact that there has been talk about Puljujarvi simply being placed on waivers—he doesn't have to be part of a trade to help facilitate this deal. Being part of a trade seems most likely, but it's not a requirement. And given the whole keeping Chychrun out of the lineup thing in AZ for "trade-related reasons" this past week or so, I wonder if that's going to become the new normal regarding trades rather than shenanigans of this sort. Time will tell. That said, JP could indeed be off for trade-related reasons that still could take a couple more days to iron out. EDM plays tomorrow and Sunday, so maybe they just want to make sure he doesn't get injured? So much speculation...
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Post by unshorkable on Feb 17, 2023 0:10:38 GMT -8
So, maybe this is reading between the lines broadly, or maybe this reading specifically in connection with the logistics of a possible Karlsson-to-EDM deal, but get a load of Woodcroft's expressions during the final six or seven seconds of this video. Note that Puljujarvi is one of the three players highlighted at the start of the brief video clip. There's something to be said for seeing what you want to see, but this guy knows something is up. I see this and I think that he saw something in the room that made him want to laugh. I think that’s honestly a more likely scenario than his smiling impishly like he got one over on the media. I’m also just speculating. (What was that acronym/onomatopoeic phrase again? “Buy me drinks?”)
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Post by kohnsharkosz on Feb 19, 2023 15:51:57 GMT -8
Oil have now last four in a row, they blew 3-goal-leads in the last two. Time to raise Karl's price.
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Post by dilacerated on Feb 19, 2023 19:27:49 GMT -8
Oil have now last four in a row, they blew 3-goal-leads in the last two. Time to raise Karl's price. No more than 20% retained!
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Post by bellizar on Feb 19, 2023 23:30:34 GMT -8
Oil have now last four in a row, they blew 3-goal-leads in the last two. Time to raise Karl's price. No more than 20% retained! I am in for 40% don't really care about that we don't need cap space for the next 2 years and the cap will start to rise in that time, just get at least this years first and next years frist from a team + a B prospect and we are good to go. Just make it happen GMMG!!
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Post by dilacerated on Feb 20, 2023 0:07:32 GMT -8
No more than 20% retained! I am in for 40% don't really care about that we don't need cap space for the next 2 years and the cap will start to rise in that time, just get at least this years first and next years frist from a team + a B prospect and we are good to go. Just make it happen GMMG!! Eh, I'm just dreaming about us having more in the piggy bank to fill out our roster with. Unrelated: a woman came into the place I was getting pizza at this evening with a Sharks sweater and necklace. We had a good laugh at how this team sucks ass without prime Patty, Pavs and Jumbo.
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Post by sonofsnowshower2 on Feb 22, 2023 8:09:43 GMT -8
I heard on the radio yesterday (KCBS in Bay Area), while stuck in traffic (why else listen to KCBS, but I shoulda taken the train) that the Blues are talking w/ Grier about Karlsson. The guy doing the sports segment said that 3 #1 picks are on the table. My reaction to this is that this radio guy is not familiar with the NHL at all. I believe that there have been reports that the Sharks' asking price has 3 #1's in it. Further, I cannot find anything, anywhere that backs this up. Further still, the Blues are going nowhere, and they dumped their captain for draft picks to make the point that they've given up on this season.
The one thing this guy got right was that the Blues now have 3 first round picks in this draft. OTH, there is the not-so-small matter of cap space.
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Post by SurfCitySharksFan on Feb 22, 2023 8:20:27 GMT -8
I heard on the radio yesterday (KCBS in Bay Area), while stuck in traffic (why else listen to KCBS, but I shoulda taken the train) that the Blues are talking w/ Grier about Karlsson. The guy doing the sports segment said that 3 #1 picks are on the table. My reaction to this is that this radio guy is not familiar with the NHL at all. I believe that there have been reports that the Sharks' asking price has 3 #1's in it. Further, I cannot find anything, anywhere that backs this up. Further still, the Blues are going nowhere, and they dumped their captain for draft picks to make the point that they've given up on this season. The one thing this guy got right was that the Blues now have 3 first round picks in this draft. OTH, there is the not-so-small matter of cap space. There was some talk yesterday that STL was in on the Timo sweepstakes (SJHN had a story on it) and was willing to give up 2 of their 3 1st rounders (plus some players/prospects). Maybe the radio guy conflated that with the rumors on the Oilers being interested in Karl.
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Post by NashvilleShark on Feb 22, 2023 10:25:22 GMT -8
Oil have now last four in a row, they blew 3-goal-leads in the last two. Time to raise Karl's price. no more than 20% retained! I felt the same initially, but have moved my position toward a 30% retention with a few players and picks beginning with a '23 first coming back to SJ from EDM. Barrie and Puljujarvi are names being tossed around who aren't moving the needle for EDM and most likely wouldn't for SJ. But, SJ recovers $8M, gets an extra 1st in a deep draft, maybe a couple of players who can be used for bargaining chips now or next season. We all believe the team isn't going to be a playoff caliber team for a few years, so eating $3.5M on Karl's contract for the next 4 years won't be the difference maker for being able to sign an impact player. However, having an extra $8M laying around and another 2023 first round pick certainly could help move the rebuild along. Add to this scenario is the possibility of Timo to the Blues. If the rumor of them being willing to surrender 2 of their 3 2023 1st round picks is true, just imagine what SJ could accomplish with 4 first round picks this year along with $18M in available cap - $8M from Karl and $10M QO relief from Timo.
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Post by sonofsnowshower2 on Feb 22, 2023 10:55:40 GMT -8
I heard on the radio yesterday (KCBS in Bay Area), while stuck in traffic (why else listen to KCBS, but I shoulda taken the train) that the Blues are talking w/ Grier about Karlsson. The guy doing the sports segment said that 3 #1 picks are on the table. My reaction to this is that this radio guy is not familiar with the NHL at all. I believe that there have been reports that the Sharks' asking price has 3 #1's in it. Further, I cannot find anything, anywhere that backs this up. Further still, the Blues are going nowhere, and they dumped their captain for draft picks to make the point that they've given up on this season. The one thing this guy got right was that the Blues now have 3 first round picks in this draft. OTH, there is the not-so-small matter of cap space. There was some talk yesterday that STL was in on the Timo sweepstakes (SJHN had a story on it) and was willing to give up 2 of their 3 1st rounders (plus some players/prospects). Maybe the radio guy conflated that with the rumors on the Oilers being interested in Karl. Could be. If I were GMMG and three 1sts were on the table, I'd be looking for my knife & fork so I could dig in. The problem of cap space for teams interested in EK65 is not a small problem, though.
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Post by seiched on Feb 22, 2023 13:11:46 GMT -8
no more than 20% retained! I felt the same initially, but have moved my position toward a 30% retention with a few players and picks beginning with a '23 first coming back to SJ from EDM. Barrie and Puljujarvi are names being tossed around who aren't moving the needle for EDM and most likely wouldn't for SJ. But, SJ recovers $8M, gets an extra 1st in a deep draft, maybe a couple of players who can be used for bargaining chips now or next season. We all believe the team isn't going to be a playoff caliber team for a few years, so eating $3.5M on Karl's contract for the next 4 years won't be the difference maker for being able to sign an impact player. However, having an extra $8M laying around and another 2023 first round pick certainly could help move the rebuild along. Add to this scenario is the possibility of Timo to the Blues. If the rumor of them being willing to surrender 2 of their 3 2023 1st round picks is true, just imagine what SJ could accomplish with 4 first round picks this year along with $18M in available cap - $8M from Karl and $10M QO relief from Timo. I am only trading Timo to the Blues if they give us their own and unprotected 1st pick, 1 of their better prospects, and any spare parts they want to send...otherwise F those dirty bastards
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Post by caopine on Feb 22, 2023 13:46:57 GMT -8
...The question, though, is will EK65 want to go there? I'd be surprised to see Karl waiving his NMC to play in Edmonton for the next 4 years. He knows winning the Cup goes well beyond having 3-4 elite level players on the same team. Edmonton is going to be a fringe level Western Conference team in the playoffs, but if his goal is simply to have a shot then it might be enough for him. I'm probably reading too much into a comment Karl made at the All Star game with regard to playing 3 on 3 with Drai and McDavid, something to the effect of "when you get an opportunity to play with elite level players like them you jump on it". Maybe he surprises me and waives to go there? I can only hope that if there's a 40% retention involved that Grier gets a third team to carry 20% of that and SJ is getting a 2023 1st and a couple of A grade prospects back.
I agree. I believe EK65 when he says that he and his family are happy and settled here in SJ and that he is enjoying coming to the rink every day. I also believe him when he says he realizes with age that it goes by quickly and he wants to win. It's hard for me not to project here but for family, weather, lifestyle, etc, hard to see wanting to move to Edmonton. So if he really does waive the NMC, he must believe that they have a shot at the Cup- which is also hard to see.
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Post by jamnjon on Feb 22, 2023 14:07:52 GMT -8
I'd be surprised to see Karl waiving his NMC to play in Edmonton for the next 4 years. He knows winning the Cup goes well beyond having 3-4 elite level players on the same team. Edmonton is going to be a fringe level Western Conference team in the playoffs, but if his goal is simply to have a shot then it might be enough for him. I'm probably reading too much into a comment Karl made at the All Star game with regard to playing 3 on 3 with Drai and McDavid, something to the effect of "when you get an opportunity to play with elite level players like them you jump on it". Maybe he surprises me and waives to go there? I can only hope that if there's a 40% retention involved that Grier gets a third team to carry 20% of that and SJ is getting a 2023 1st and a couple of A grade prospects back. I agree. I believe EK65 when he says that he and his family are happy and settled here in SJ and that he is enjoying coming to the rink every day. I also believe him when he says he realizes with age that it goes by quickly and he wants to win. It's hard for me not to project here but for family, weather, lifestyle, etc, hard to see wanting to move to Edmonton. So if he really does waive the NMC, he must believe that they have a shot at the Cup- which is also hard to see.
There's an article on SJHN suggesting that he is willing to waive to go to Edmonton. From the article (note from me that the link is to a gambling site):
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Post by caopine on Feb 22, 2023 14:23:12 GMT -8
EK65 has been the best Sharks d-man since we traded for him, however the 'earning' part is that he is paid to impact the game at a superstar level (highest paid d-man). He is doing it this year, but the only other time I felt he was that kind of impact was the first year he was here...even on 1 leg at the time. I don't know exactly how we "reply" to posts, so I'm going with this. First, I'm not "arguing" with you about this. Just trying to add some context.
A while back (this season), in response to a question about the difference in his play this season and past seasons, Karl did mention that he didn't want to rock the boat, or words to that effect. I took that to mean that the PP ran through #88 and there was that "blast away from the blue line" approach. But a lot of the Sharks' game did that, not just the PP. Burns got the most minutes, hence he dictated a lot of what transpired. I've voiced my view that Burns without Pavelski was not nearly the weapon as Burns combined w/ Pavs.
I'm writing this as *speculation* about what happened in the past couple of seasons...Burns was a big personality, we might even say he dominated the locker room once Jumbo left (and Larry Robinson had some criticisms of the dynamic with Jumbo and young players, which LR voiced to the press). So basically (after my digressions), I *wonder* if we could have seen more of this level of EK65 had the coaching staff *and* the GM taken charge and forced the situation to change? What I mean is telling the team "the PP runs through #65, not #88." That would have created issues to be dealt with in the locker room, for sure. Frankly, the guy was an a-hole, but I gotta think that a PP with EK9's style, but with EK65 running things, would have been much better than what we saw for the years of Burns sans Pavs.
Just things I've wondered about.
I remember a series of interviews where EK65 made comments like this and he was complimenting Burns' shot etc. I do think coming in on a big contract as an outsider when people like Pavs were let go at the same time, he was probably trying to hard to not rock the boat instead of doing his thing. Regardless, maybe it's a coincidence or maybe just a confluence of: feeling at home in San Jose, being healthy, and BB leaving.
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Post by bellizar on Feb 22, 2023 15:08:45 GMT -8
I felt the same initially, but have moved my position toward a 30% retention with a few players and picks beginning with a '23 first coming back to SJ from EDM. Barrie and Puljujarvi are names being tossed around who aren't moving the needle for EDM and most likely wouldn't for SJ. But, SJ recovers $8M, gets an extra 1st in a deep draft, maybe a couple of players who can be used for bargaining chips now or next season. We all believe the team isn't going to be a playoff caliber team for a few years, so eating $3.5M on Karl's contract for the next 4 years won't be the difference maker for being able to sign an impact player. However, having an extra $8M laying around and another 2023 first round pick certainly could help move the rebuild along. Add to this scenario is the possibility of Timo to the Blues. If the rumor of them being willing to surrender 2 of their 3 2023 1st round picks is true, just imagine what SJ could accomplish with 4 first round picks this year along with $18M in available cap - $8M from Karl and $10M QO relief from Timo. I am only trading Timo to the Blues if they give us their own and unprotected 1st pick, 1 of their better prospects, and any spare parts they want to send...otherwise F those dirty bastards GMMG not going to trade Meier for two 20+ ish picks I can see trade like this 2 first 1 is the blues and the second is thier later first rounder + B prospect. I would prefer this trade for Meier + Strum(or someone they like and not rental) + third round pick for 3 first round picks this year.
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Post by bellizar on Feb 23, 2023 14:15:25 GMT -8
From a sensible devils fan. Devils would be stupid to let Meier get away. Give up Mercer and every pick for the next 2 years if you have to. What’s Mercer’s ceiling? 60pts? Meier is a legit top line forward, size without sacrificing speed, a great shot, and is just 26. Fits Jersey’s core perfectly, and there’s a chance they could lose Bratt anyway this off-season. You move freaking Dawson Mercer to bring in a 40g scorer. This is so baffling why it’s even an issue. Another team is going to swoop in and get a top 15 winger in the league.. cuz we don’t wana give up Mercer? Meier is the type of guy you overpay for. Jersey has the youth and core locked in, and has Luke and Nemec on ELCs the next few years, plus Vanecek on an affordable deal. Now is when you make this move. As Joker said now we are talking.
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