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Post by jamnjon on Feb 5, 2023 15:01:49 GMT -8
That gives them 17 players with around $7M in cap space for next year according to capfriendly.
Edit: Should be interesting to see what sort of impact this might have on Meier's price since he's a couple years younger but plays on the wing rather than center and has more of a history of comparable numbers (and isn't riding a shooting percentage significantly higher than his career numbers)
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Post by 408jc1991 on Feb 5, 2023 22:39:29 GMT -8
I still think Meier will get more than this for sure. It’s gonna be a sad day if he is traded. He’s one of the sharks I wanted to see play out his career in sj
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Post by kohnsharkosz on Feb 6, 2023 9:07:38 GMT -8
Timo will definitely have a heftier contract price tag. I'm predicting 9.5-9.75/yr. Will be interesting to see if any team will be willing to fork out what should be a larger trade price.
The Horvat trade reaction was side-splitting hilarious. In general, the neutral hockey fan feedback was that it is a fair trade with slight advantage to Vancouver who was looking at zero return if he walked July 1. But what I saw from both fan bases was they were utterly inconsolable because their team got fleeced. One of the factors I saw from Isles fans was the idea they could have gotten Timo for that return. Even if they could, this indicates to me that Timo's contract price was too high. As we can see, NYI is going to have a hard enough time with Horvat's 8.5m. Vancouver fans don't realize that they got what was comparable to the Eichel trade in return. And while a drop below 12th results in the pick kicking over to next year, that could end up being a pick value they would never get from an actual contender.
How dare neither of these not get McDavid or Anaheim's unprotected 1st for what they offered.
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Post by bellizar on Feb 9, 2023 6:08:55 GMT -8
Timo will definitely have a heftier contract price tag. I'm predicting 9.5-9.75/yr. Will be interesting to see if any team will be willing to fork out what should be a larger trade price. The Horvat trade reaction was side-splitting hilarious. In general, the neutral hockey fan feedback was that it is a fair trade with slight advantage to Vancouver who was looking at zero return if he walked July 1. But what I saw from both fan bases was they were utterly inconsolable because their team got fleeced. One of the factors I saw from Isles fans was the idea they could have gotten Timo for that return. Even if they could, this indicates to me that Timo's contract price was too high. As we can see, NYI is going to have a hard enough time with Horvat's 8.5m. Vancouver fans don't realize that they got what was comparable to the Eichel trade in return. And while a drop below 12th results in the pick kicking over to next year, that could end up being a pick value they would never get from an actual contender. How dare neither of these not get McDavid or Anaheim's unprotected 1st for what they offered. The Islander fans are dreaming if they think this package would land them Timo, if Grier accepts this kind of offer he needs to be fired on spot. He doesn’t need to sell Timo right now I really hope GMMG resigns him for 9mil, if he don’t then get a package that’s worth it that doesn’t sets back the team in value. Van got a decent package from their side for a rental so that’s absolutely a win for them. The Eichel return was better but for better player as well I think on that trade buffalo got screwed pretty hard but that was on Eichel lowering his value with his I want out of this “crap” team. Way different situation. From the Islanders side they payed a protected first and decent B prospect for a “rental” Beauvilliier was mostly for make the cap work he’s payed 4.mil for next season too for like 30 point production. That’s a bad contract and throw in the deal. I didn’t understand the VAN communication for their fan base like they received “3” frist rounders. Like hell they didn’t. Ratty is decent but atleast 2-3 years from the NHL and not a game changer max a Midle six guy. The best case scenario to get a next year first in the top 10, plus a throw in guy who you can flip for a 4-5th maybe in the next year trade deadline. In team perspective for VAN I don’t know what they are thinking Petterson is already 24, Quinn Hughess is 23 this trade assets can help those guys when they are 28-27 years old if they hit with the first rounder. This trade only makes sense for me if Bo told VAN I am going to free agency and I am not signing. |
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Post by jamnjon on Feb 9, 2023 10:34:48 GMT -8
This trade only makes sense for me if Bo told VAN I am going to free agency and I am not signing. I'm pretty sure the issue was that they wouldn't be able to afford to re-sign him. Even after the trade they only have $3.02M in projected cap space for next year with 17 roster players. Get rid of Beauvillier's $4.15 and they'd have $7.17M in cap space with 16 roster players. |
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Post by bellizar on Feb 9, 2023 15:40:35 GMT -8
This trade only makes sense for me if Bo told VAN I am going to free agency and I am not signing. I'm pretty sure the issue was that they wouldn't be able to afford to re-sign him. Even after the trade they only have $3.02M in projected cap space for next year with 17 roster players. Get rid of Beauvillier's $4.15 and they'd have $7.17M in cap space with 16 roster players. LoL I didn't look in to that thats like worst cap stiuation than the Sharks, just wow can't manage a 3 milion raise for you number 1 center just amazing. That's some big league screw up. |
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Post by seiched on Feb 10, 2023 13:00:11 GMT -8
if the Sharks sign Timo for something like 9.5 or so, it will be more of the same for the Sharks. Would be almost as bad as paying Hertl last year when we could have traded and gotten a ton of assets. Team is in middling shape with no possibility of coming out of it for 5+ years. You have to epically suck for a few years in order to get the assets needed for a turn around. Not be pretty sucky as they are now. We only have two assets in Timo and EK65 that are worth anything, we need to sell to get better. I love that GMMG is taking his time, but also hate it because I want to know if their is light at the end of the tunnel....
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Post by bellizar on Feb 11, 2023 0:22:55 GMT -8
if the Sharks sign Timo for something like 9.5 or so, it will be more of the same for the Sharks. Would be almost as bad as paying Hertl last year when we could have traded and gotten a ton of assets. Team is in middling shape with no possibility of coming out of it for 5+ years. You have to epically suck for a few years in order to get the assets needed for a turn around. Not be pretty sucky as they are now. We only have two assets in Timo and EK65 that are worth anything, we need to sell to get better. I love that GMMG is taking his time, but also hate it because I want to know if their is light at the end of the tunnel.... I hardly Dissaggre with this the Sharks doesn't need 5years+ to be good again, but its depend on this draft if they get an Elite prospect Bedard/Fantili/Carlsson they have 2nd line center in two years + Eklund + Bordelau + Bysted. If they keep Meier the lines could look like this: Eklund + Hertl + Meier Bordelau + Fantili/Carlsson + veteran winger (can be barbanov etc someone with some size and skill) Cooch + Byted + Robins/Guschin/Kaut (1 prospect who can be a decent middle 6 guy only need 1 of them to pan out) Eyssimont + sturm + filler guy Tha lineup looks to me like good combination of young end veteran players who are still good and the young guys have ton of upside. The problem is the D: Knyzhov or someone signed/EK65 Ferraro / maybe a prospect like Laroque / Kniazev or someone we trade for. Cicek/Hatakka/Kniazev or Vlasic / Benning I am not saying this team is a contender but can be a stable playoff team. With decent FA signings or trades can elevate this team in 3-4 year as the young guys get better to a contender. All depends on this draft, and Meier / trade or not trade. |
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Post by seiched on Feb 11, 2023 22:08:21 GMT -8
I don't want a stable playoff team, I want SCs. if the Sharks bomb out the rest of the way and get lucky in the draft lottery and we get an elite talent, then maybe we can be a contender, but that is probably still 5+ years away as well. Our contracts for old players will continue to haunt us for years to come and unless the salary cap goes up 20+ million and a bunch of sweet UFAs come our way, we aren't and will not be contenders. I think there is too much hope in our current assets that they will turn out, and maybe they will and awesome if they do, but there isn't enough of strong assets to ensure that some will become strong 1st or 2nd line players. The sharks development of players used to be strong, but it has been years since we drafted and developed a higher end 1st line type player. Meier 2015? We need more strong assets to make up for the years of all the trades DW made to try and get the team a SC. It is the price we paid, and now unfortunately it will cost of Timo and EK65 (hopefully), to get back the prospect pool we need to turn the franchise around.
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