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Post by kzooshark on Feb 26, 2023 17:38:38 GMT -8
Fabian Zetterlund
Andreas Johnsson
Nikita Ohotiuk
Shakir Mukhamadullin
2023 1st rounder
Conditional 2024 1st
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Post by 408jc1991 on Feb 26, 2023 17:48:19 GMT -8
Obviously there are none of the big names we expected and I don’t know any of these prospects by game or name. I don’t wanna base my feelings around twitter , and it was a mixed bag anyway. So how do we feel Grier did on this one?
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Post by bellizar on Feb 26, 2023 17:49:00 GMT -8
Tell me that is a joke please.
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Post by SurfCitySharksFan on Feb 26, 2023 17:50:17 GMT -8
So 2 1st rounders (probably late 1st round both years), Zetterlund (23 yo NHL RFA winger), Ohotiuk and Mukhamadullin (2 young AHL D-men), and Johnsson (buried in the AHL apparently and comes off the books after this season).
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Post by bellizar on Feb 26, 2023 17:51:51 GMT -8
If that is confirmed and true. I will be a Grier hater for life.
Thats is so unaccabtable and idoitic that i cannot express.
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Post by 408jc1991 on Feb 26, 2023 17:53:59 GMT -8
Seems like hardly any real prospects. A bunch of tweeners and ahl bound players. First rounder won’t be very good.
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Post by briancpalmer on Feb 26, 2023 17:56:42 GMT -8
Welp, Grier really f***ed that one up.
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Post by seiched on Feb 26, 2023 18:08:20 GMT -8
Well my prediction that the Sharks will suck for another 5+ years just got a lot more real. No real prospects, just more hope and pray that someone turns out. GMMG failed hard
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Post by richie88 on Feb 26, 2023 18:18:24 GMT -8
Ugh. This is awful. Grier should've waited to see if he got better offers at the draft if this was the best offer he got.
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Post by SurfCitySharksFan on Feb 26, 2023 18:20:02 GMT -8
Here's what CapFriendly is reporting as the final trade:
To #NJDevils :
F Meier (50% RS)
D Harrington
F Ibragimov
D Hatakka
G Émond
2024 5th RD pick (COL)
To #SJSharks :
F Johnsson
F Zetterlund
D Mukhamadullin
D Okhotiuk
2023 1st RD pick
2024 2nd RD pick (conditional)
2024 7th RD pick
* becomes a 1st if NJ make the conference final
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Post by 408jc1991 on Feb 26, 2023 18:25:23 GMT -8
Like trading some bad prospects for maybe a little better prospects seems to be a trade on it own. So we got timo for a first and a conditional second that can turn into a first. Wtf
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Post by jamnjon on Feb 26, 2023 18:30:30 GMT -8
Here's what CapFriendly is reporting as the final trade: To #NJDevils : F Meier (50% RS) D Harrington F Ibragimov D Hatakka G Émond 2024 5th RD pick (COL) To #SJSharks : F Johnsson F Zetterlund D Mukhamadullin D Okhotiuk 2023 1st RD pick 2024 2nd RD pick (conditional) 2024 7th RD pick * becomes a 1st if NJ make the conference final From what I saw it's not just this year for the conference final condition. If they make the conference final either of the next two years. Not great, but a bit better |
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Post by jamnjon on Feb 26, 2023 18:31:27 GMT -8
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Post by SurfCitySharksFan on Feb 26, 2023 18:45:26 GMT -8
This kind of makes you wonder what Carolina or FV were offering. On the face of it, this seems underwhelming. A 1st year and a maybe 1st next year is OK. Sheng's article on possible NJ trade pieces listed Mukhamadullin as one of the possible prospects. Would have been better with a decent NHLer. Based on a quick look at playing time the last few games, he seems like a bottom 6 guy. It will be interesting to see what MG thinks is the good part of this package when he holds a press conference.
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Post by SurfCitySharksFan on Feb 26, 2023 19:18:22 GMT -8
Per the Sharks website, here is what MG said about the incoming players: "This trade brings several high-level assets to our organization which can be utilized as we continue to reinvigorate our pool of young, talented and competitive players," said Grier. "Shakir is a big, mobile defenseman who leads the team defenseman in scoring this year and has the tools and upside to be a top-four defenseman in his career. Fabian is a young, developing player who brings offensive upside to the team, averaging half a point per game in the NHL. Nikita is a hard nosed, physical blueliner with good leadership skills and high character. Andreas is a proven NHL player, with over 200 games of NHL experience."
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Post by bellizar on Feb 26, 2023 19:28:34 GMT -8
Jamjon i will be unpopular and negaitve for a while feel free to bann me.
But rant on:
Grier had gone full retard on this is an absolute joke thats not even funny. This is not a return for Timo this is embarassment a big hot pile of shit.
This trade Just destroyed the Sharks. It set the franchise back for 5-6 years minimum.
Top of this Grier has put a sign on his forehead: iam big fat rookie whale at the poker table FLEECE me pls!!!!
This trade makes the team and this clown who is playing GM laugh stock of the league.
The biggest thing for me is there were no sensible person around him to tell him that don't be an idiot this is a disaster don't you see it???
How could he convinced him self this is a good trade,
I fel like I want to cry and vomit at the same time.
Just fire this clown tomorrow it will never happen but this level incompatancy is just unimaginable.
It should happen.
I am sad about us the fans but I am sad about the players more.
Especialy Hertl he belived I think this team can rebuild it self in 2-3 years and now he is stuck here with no hope and future.
Grier just destroyed this franchise and he is just simply lying about everything.
First we are not tanking....
Do the best for the now and future doesn't care about the now or near future.
Timo is "day to day" didn't have the guts to come out and Say he was holding him out.
I understand you can't Say these things out mostly but mán doing the full opposite of what you said....
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Post by bellizar on Feb 26, 2023 19:40:37 GMT -8
Per the Sharks website, here is what MG said about the incoming players: "This trade brings several high-level assets to our organization which can be utilized as we continue to reinvigorate our pool of young, talented and competitive players," said Grier. "Shakir is a big, mobile defenseman who leads the team defenseman in scoring this year and has the tools and upside to be a top-four defenseman in his career. Fabian is a young, developing player who brings offensive upside to the team, averaging half a point per game in the NHL. Nikita is a hard nosed, physical blueliner with good leadership skills and high character. Andreas is a proven NHL player, with over 200 games of NHL experience." Holly hell is he on drugs??? Shakir has 6 goals an 25 points in the KHL he is decent prospect can be a 4-5 defesnman, Kniazev have more offensive upside lol. Fabian a bottom 6 guy again 6 goals in 45 games. No problem at least they are all big dudes dont care of the rest. The new motto for clown Grier be big be a shark! |
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Post by sharksbrewer on Feb 26, 2023 19:51:10 GMT -8
Looking at the trade it seems like it would be "Hey you're getting Timo Meier and that's all we are giving up". Why are the Sharks needing to trade all the other prospects to make it happen? Did the Devils say "Ooooh, this looks good, but it seems a bit lopsided unless we get a handful of your other guys"?
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Post by dilacerated on Feb 26, 2023 20:14:12 GMT -8
Initial reaction was not positive. Upon thinking about it, though... Maybe this is the thinking: 2023 1st is OK. Expecting it to be somewhere between picks 10-15. Could be bundled and flipped to move up. Zetterlund with Bystedt could be pretty good. Assuming the Swede love isn't being mistaken here and we don't get Bedard and instead get Carlsson then Eklund also has a sweet Swede Center to work with. Johnsson has been a .5 PPG player without the benefit of Jumbo dishing him pucks so that's a replacement for Labanc. Lifetime + player so defensively competent and also cheaper. Nikita had a good review in his draft year and seems to have lived up to their expectations: thehockeywriters.com/nikita-okhutyuk-2019-nhl-draft-prospect-profile/. Mukhamadullin may never come back to NA. This one is a head scratcher but who knows. 2024 1st we'll find out. Could be bundled. |
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Post by richie88 on Feb 26, 2023 21:12:07 GMT -8
The 2023 1st won't be 10-15. I doubt that Zetterlund & Okhutyuk will be more than middle of the lineup players. Johnsson's a vet & doesn't matter long-term. Shakir's flawed as a key piece since he's a boom or bust prospect. I haven't heard anything about Shakir wanting to permanently stay in Russia, but it'd make the trade even worse if he did that.
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Post by briancpalmer on Feb 26, 2023 22:04:15 GMT -8
The 2023 1st won't be 10-15. Yeah, that pick will be somewhere (hopefully) in the low 20s. Does anyone know how they determine the draft order of the losers in each round? Is it based on lowest to highest regular season point total? How long their series was (with point-totals being tiebreaker)? NJ losing in the first round is optimal, and if a couple other teams with more reg season points (if that's how this is determined) can lose as well, that would be even better. My question now is whether we're able to deal EK65 to EDM because that's going to go a long way to determining how things look going forward. Having three 1sts in this draft would be amazing (and hey, if EDM gets him and loses in the first round then depending on who else loses we could well have a pick in the late teens). And given the unusual amount of high-end talent in the first four or five picks this year (at least from all I've read/heard), it's not unreasonable to view any pick as actually being a few slots higher in terms of value (i.e., relative to most drafts, a #22 pick this year might look be an #18 or #19 in most other years), so there's extra value to be found in NJ's (and hopefully EDM's) pick, so that could be useful to us. Things are bleak for us right now, but if we can get Bedard (or even one of those first four picks) and two other, say, top-20ish picks? That'll be something to feel good about (provided we draft well in those other two spots!). |
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Post by caopine on Feb 26, 2023 22:34:16 GMT -8
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Post by dilacerated on Feb 26, 2023 22:35:26 GMT -8
The 2023 1st won't be 10-15. I doubt that Zetterlund & Okhutyuk will be more than middle of the lineup players. Johnsson's a vet & doesn't matter long-term. Shakir's flawed as a key piece since he's a boom or bust prospect. I haven't heard anything about Shakir wanting to permanently stay in Russia, but it'd make the trade even worse if he did that. OK now that I had a moment to look further yeah the pick won't be that low. Best we can hope for is 17th.
Despite my hopium for some of the pieces involved this really feels like GMMG made a deal to make a deal but unless, by some miracle, things improve drastically as a result of it this will go down as a serious fail.
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Post by jamnjon on Feb 26, 2023 22:53:29 GMT -8
Does anyone know how they determine the draft order of the losers in each round? Draft order is as follows: 1-16: Teams that miss the playoffs in reverse order of the standings, lottery slightly tweaks. 17-X: Teams that made the playoffs, did not win their division in the regular season, and did not reach the conference final in the reverse order of the regular season standings. X-28: Teams that won their division in the regular season and did not reach the conference final in the reverse order of regular season standings 29-30: Teams that lost in the conference final in reverse order of regular season standings 31: Stanley Cup loser 32: Stanley Cup winner. Looking at the trade it seems like it would be "Hey you're getting Timo Meier and that's all we are giving up". Why are the Sharks needing to trade all the other prospects to make it happen? Did the Devils say "Ooooh, this looks good, but it seems a bit lopsided unless we get a handful of your other guys"? Don't worry about those, they're not really a part of the trade. The Sharks were at 49/50 contracts. Emond was playing in the ECHL and had been passed by several players on the depth chart, he wasn't getting a qualifying offer. Ibragimov was also in Wichita of the ECHL and likely in the same boat (I'm less familiar with his performance). I expect that they'll stay in Wichita and leave at the end of the season via free agency, no real change for them other than who signs the checks. I know there was a bit of hype around Santeri though I think he's underwhelmed this year. I haven't really followed his performance, though I know there were some injuries so he's only played 8 games this year. Jamjon i will be unpopular and negaitve for a while feel free to bann me. I definitely don't intend to ban people for being negative. Ideally I want to do zero moderation. As long as you're reasonably respectful of the other members while being negative I won't be doing anything. Pretty much only if something starts to come across as harassment and people have asked you to stop but you refuse to. I'm kind of leaning towards hoping the Devils lose in the ECF this year and we end up with pick 29 from that, then they somehow fall way off so in 2024 it's the 10th pick and gets deferred to 2025 where it's first overall. I know that won't happen, but I can dream! |
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Post by caopine on Feb 26, 2023 23:03:37 GMT -8
There's always a naysayer in every bunch, but not this time. Devils' fans are universally ecstatic about this trade.
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Post by jamnjon on Feb 26, 2023 23:55:05 GMT -8
A bit of a laugh about this quote from the comments on a trade video: The happiest guy in New Jersey about this deal is Ken Daneyko. Now he doesn't have to worry about trying to pronounce Okhotiuk and Mukhamadullin in the near future. Considering they're both defensemen, they might end up being a pairing, and Danno has enough trouble with Smith and Hamilton. |
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Post by jamnjon on Feb 27, 2023 0:34:37 GMT -8
Grier interview from youtube on the tradeOne thing of note, he was asked about EK65 and didn't completely shut the door but did say "I'm anticipating him being here the rest of the season" I haven't heard anything about Shakir wanting to permanently stay in Russia, but it'd make the trade even worse if he did that. In the interview Grier said confidently that there were no concerns about that at all. That doesn't mean it's true, but I hope they did their homework enough that the confidence is justified.
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Post by sonofsnowshower2 on Feb 27, 2023 7:18:27 GMT -8
I don't have an opinion one way or the other. I gave it a few seconds of thought, what occurred to me is that once the Sharks made the $10 million Q.O. to Timo, he was gone. He's an RFA, so basically Grier had no intention of keeping him here. Could he have gotten more? IDK, but actually, if you look at the return on someone signing Timo as an RFA, it might have been better. I might be reading the rules on compensation wrong, but I think the Sharks get more back by letting Timo go as an RFA. However, would someone match that Q.O.? That's the rub. If nobody bites, then Timo's here at a very high price, which the Sharks weren't in a good position to pay, cap-wise. So, it's not so simple as "what did we get back in this exact instant," but rather it has moving pieces.
On that note, I'll miss watching EK65, because I think the logic of the Timo trade is that we're dumping salary.
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Post by bellizar on Feb 27, 2023 7:25:09 GMT -8
Grier interview from youtube on the tradeOne thing of note, he was asked about EK65 and didn't completely shut the door but did say "I'm anticipating him being here the rest of the season" I haven't heard anything about Shakir wanting to permanently stay in Russia, but it'd make the trade even worse if he did that. In the interview Grier said confidently that there were no concerns about that at all. That doesn't mean it's true, but I hope they did their homework enough that the confidence is justified. Listening to this is just blows my mind, they targeted Shakir, he even said he could have taken only picks back that’s should be the Blue's offer if they offered, they own pick + another first this year, and Grier didn't take that than i don't have words seriously if that wasn't the case than why don't wait??? Still had 5 days left. Because they got what they wanted.... and that's just horrifying, and in the summer, we would get less than this seriously??? He's perception with the trade time wise this deal pushes us forward?? Forward to what being 24-23 place in the standings??? The cap hit talk is such BS what is the plan to sign older even more expensive FA?? or to pay FA to be plugs to have a "better on ice product" for like 25. place in standings rather than 30? What is the purpose to have cap space when we can't spend it on a player better than Timo? All our RFA-s who has value and need a pay raise are 2-3 years away, then the cap should rise + some dead cap is up and bunch of contracts are up, this is just bad bs. Plus no Karlsson trade that’s a joke as well. I am trying to look this move in a positive way but there aren't anything good about this its just that bad, still don't understand how this deal get finalised and no one no one on the sharks said a freaking word to stop this stupidity. I think will drink a few glass of whiskey to copium this crap. |
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Post by NashvilleShark on Feb 27, 2023 8:49:44 GMT -8
I haven't heard anything about Shakir wanting to permanently stay in Russia, but it'd make the trade even worse if he did that. In the interview Grier said confidently that there were no concerns about that at all. That doesn't mean it's true, but I hope they did their homework enough that the confidence is justified. I believe Grier said that Muk is tied to an NHL contract and is on loan to the KHL. So he'll likely be in SJ at some point this off season. |
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