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Post by briancpalmer on Feb 9, 2023 16:18:16 GMT -8
Now that the Rangers are out, and since obvious fits like the Sabres don't seem interested, where do we think Meier ends up, and what do we think we actually get in return? Seems we aren't going to get the haul we feel we should based on how other trades are playing out, but if he and EK65 keep playing like this then we risk losing out on a top-4 pick (yes, we could still get one of the lottery spots, but honestly, who thinks that kind of luck is honestly going to go our way?).
Based on various reports, some combination of the following teams are said to be interested to one degree or another:
1) New Jersey
2) Carolina
3) FV
4) Toronto
5) Winnipeg
6) Philly
And teams like Seattle and Buffalo could (should?) look into him, but probably won't.
Am I missing anyone here? You can take FV out because there's no way we'd do a deal with them, so there are maybe five teams in play, potentially?
I'd be hoping for TOR or PHI out of these teams, just because the former could bomb out in the playoffs like always (though their luck has to change at some point, doesn't it?) and that pick could end up being in the teens, while the latter could miss the playoffs entirely, and if the pick is top-12 protected maybe they finish just outside of that spot, netting us another highish pick in this draft.
Man, I sure do wish Buffalo was feeling adventurous. I'd love to get their first and see them miss the playoffs...
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Post by bellizar on Feb 10, 2023 9:11:26 GMT -8
There is so much in your post.  So the rangers wouldn’t wanted to pay the price for Timo, I bet GMMG wanted something like this Schneider/Chytil + Othman + a first. Drury wouldn’t pay up and that’s fine. I hope GMMG holds steady and get a deal that’s similar that I am suggested from the Rangers from other teams. Seattle considered Bo Horvat I am 100% sure there are on Meier as well so as Buffalo no way they are not poking around. The list should be like this: New Jersey Winnipeg Carolina Seattle Buffalo Ottawa Vegas hard no and they can’t afford Meier anyway, Toronto have literally nothing just forget it, Philly doesn’t make any sense for them. If no Gm Is willing to pay the price just keep Timo maybe deal him at draft or sign him long term he’s an RFA he is steal under control, GMMG is in a great spot he doesn’t need to trade Timo only if he wants to. |
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Post by bellizar on Feb 10, 2023 9:38:06 GMT -8
The deals I would like to GMMG to get.
New Jersey:
Hughes + first + Casey/Holtz
or Nemec + first + Mercer
Winnipeg:
Perfetti + Lucius/Lambert + first
Carolina:
Jarvis + Morrow/Gunler + first
Ottawa: I can see this at the draft
Jake Sanderson + First if they are picking 7-12.
Buffalo:
Savoie + Kulich + first
Seattle:
Wright + Goyette/Kokko/Nelson + first
These are my 2 cents’.
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Post by seiched on Feb 10, 2023 10:19:46 GMT -8
New Jersey
No way NJ trades Hughes
I wouldn't trade unless we get Nemec and Holtz
Seattle
Seattle not trading Wright, not sure I would want him anyways.
Buffalo
I'd rather trade them EK65 since they are only one of the few clubs that can take most if not all of his salary
Winnipeg/Carolina
Not overly impressed by any of their prospects, would have to be a big bulk package
We can always hold on to Timo and trade at draft, once people know they aren't getting Bedard then maybe opens up destinations
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Post by jamnjon on Feb 10, 2023 10:52:56 GMT -8
New Jersey No way NJ trades Hughes Fully agree that Hughes being in the trade would be very unlikely, and definitely wouldn't come with anything else, especially not a first and a good prospect. |
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Post by bellizar on Feb 10, 2023 23:49:59 GMT -8
New Jersey No way NJ trades Hughes I wouldn't trade unless we get Nemec and Holtz Seattle Seattle not trading Wright, not sure I would want him anyways. Buffalo I'd rather trade them EK65 since they are only one of the few clubs that can take most if not all of his salary Winnipeg/Carolina Not overly impressed by any of their prospects, would have to be a big bulk package We can always hold on to Timo and trade at draft, once people know they aren't getting Bedard then maybe opens up destinations Its completle reasonable that L.Hughes is off the books but I still want GMMG to ask for it and btw back in the glory day nobody thought Joe Thorton going to get traded and DW made it happen. You never know and if they say okay but give me another player + 2nd rounder or if you want L.Huges only him max 2 rounder something, thats starts the whole thing and work it out. If they say no way thats fine as well then GMMG needs hold and say okay Nemec + Mercer + first like they get a Meier + a thrid or Meier + Bonnion and 5th etc. Oh and Holtz will never be a Shark Grier does'nt like the player type that's is Holtz just look at LeBanc no way he wants one more palyer like that so its have to be Mercer + Nemec. I am not high on Wright but couldbe a good fit for the Sharks and there were some chit chat that for seattle wirght was on the table for Bo Horvat, so I can absolutly see Wright for Meier. In a concept you get wright 5 years from now in Meier, thats pretty solid trade. Buffalo will never ever ever trade for EK65 its doesnt make sence for them and they dont have the cap space yes theoriticaly they have it now, but in 2 years you have to pay Dahlin + Power and the young forwards + takeing EK65 in that like 30+ in the Dman is not going to work we saw it with the Sharks 3 huge Dman contrat is horrible for the cap and there is only one puck, Dahlin + Power + EK65 hell no just causing problem with that. The Sabers will never give up Power for a 32 year old Dman just not going to happen and they are not trading roster players. Savoie + Kulich + first is absoultly reasonable those 2 are not even close to be sure things in the NHL Meier is legit top line winger for 8 years thats not a big price for to pay for the Sabers. I might even say that GMMG might not make this trade two smallish but very skilled forwards and first might not move the needle for him. Winnipeg and Carolnia are tough because they need to give up a roster player so essentialy they are just upgrading for one of thier pieces for hefty price. I am not confindent they are willing to do that they might but it would be such a huge cost for them in thier perspective. I can see Winnipeg do it like throwing all their reasonable prospects + a first in the deal or just the prospects the GMMG consider to be good and 2 firsts. The main problem is they don't have a A prospect guy just bunch B guys or less. |
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Post by bellizar on Feb 11, 2023 0:01:52 GMT -8
New Jersey No way NJ trades Hughes Fully agree that Hughes being in the trade would be very unlikely, and definitely wouldn't come with anything else, especially not a first and a good prospect. I disagree with this L.Hughes is a prospect just a prospect he's not a sure thing in the NHL not even close. yes he is good offcourse thats why we have this conversation but to trade Meier for 1 prospect who didn't even play 1 AHL game thats bizzare to me look at the Jack Eichel trade, i think thats similar to Meier stiuation but it was worse for the sabres cause of the media stuff so GMMG should get more for Meier than the Sabers got for Eichel. Btw i don't think GMMG would take that deal 1 on 1 i cant see it, if NJD goes like Hughes 2nd + 3d now we are talking about closer litle bit better than the DeBrincat deal, now that i would consider/accept. |
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Post by hammerhead on Feb 12, 2023 14:02:31 GMT -8
I think Seattle makes a lot of sense, they have the cap space to give him the contract he’s looking for, and they lack a bonafide finisher in their lineup (McCann is good but doesn’t even get that much ice time).
Downside is that we’d have to play against Timo for the next ~8 years.
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Post by kohnsharkosz on Feb 14, 2023 15:39:44 GMT -8
Here's a big giant Fuuuuuuuuck yooouuu!After thinking about it for a bit, they can't afford to sign him AT ALL. Unless they have multiple big contracts moved or LTIR. It would be stupid for them to spend picks for someone who signs elsewhere in the off-season. However, if we've learned anything in the first 4 of their existence, they know how to do stupid. |
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Post by bellizar on Feb 16, 2023 14:54:38 GMT -8
Here's a big giant Fuuuuuuuuck yooouuu!After thinking about it for a bit, they can't afford to sign him AT ALL. Unless they have multiple big contracts moved or LTIR. It would be stupid for them to spend picks for someone who signs elsewhere in the off-season. However, if we've learned anything in the first 4 of their existence, they know how to do stupid. Meier trade to vegas is like Bedard picked at number 2. at the draft absolutley impossible and will never happen. XD |
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Post by caopine on Feb 24, 2023 12:38:51 GMT -8
I may be reading too much into this but in the pre-game interview with Quinn, it almost seemed like he was having a hard time keeping a straight face about Timo's minor injury keeping him out. jamnjon pointed out in another thread that they would probably announce after Marleau's day tomorrow. Seems like whatever is going to happen is done.
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Post by bellizar on Feb 24, 2023 13:06:50 GMT -8
I may be reading too much into this but in the pre-game interview with Quinn, it almost seemed like he was having a hard time keeping a straight face about Timo's minor injury keeping him out. jamnjon pointed out in another thread that they would probably announce after Marleau's day tomorrow. Seems like whatever is going to happen is done. I really hope the blues 3 first this year for Timo and third round pick would be so epic. XD |
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Post by peanutgallery on Feb 26, 2023 14:11:52 GMT -8
Apparently the trade to NJ is done. Just waiting to hear details. That according to LeBrun.
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Post by jamnjon on Feb 26, 2023 14:14:34 GMT -8
Apparently the trade to NJ is done. Just waiting to hear details. That according to LeBrun. With no extension (yet) |
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Post by jamnjon on Feb 26, 2023 14:31:32 GMT -8
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Post by caopine on Feb 26, 2023 14:37:37 GMT -8
Sheng's article quoting Lebrun included this tweet- which makes it seem like MG wasn't ever serious about keeping Timo. Not to be pessimistic but this makes me worry that MG was not willing to wait for the right pitch. Hope the return is good.
I asked Meier, if something changed, would he be open to re-signing with #SJSharks? "Yeah...that hasn't made any progress."
To be honest, it seems like he's resigned to leaving San Jose
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Post by jamnjon on Feb 26, 2023 14:50:57 GMT -8
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Post by NashvilleShark on Feb 26, 2023 14:57:23 GMT -8
Sure is quite a bit of information about what SJ is sending to NJ, but crickets about what they're getting in return. Is the deal that bad for SJ?
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Post by briancpalmer on Feb 26, 2023 15:23:48 GMT -8
Starting to get worried here. It's obviously not for Nemec or Hughes, and I've even seen now that not only is Holtz not part of the deal but he was never discussed. My Spidey sense is starting to tingle here, and unfortunately it's in a "We're getting fleeced" kind of way...
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Post by jamnjon on Feb 26, 2023 15:26:14 GMT -8
All 5 Hugheses (including the second Jack and Cameron who aren't related), Mercer, Nemec, and all 224 picks in the next 10 drafts, plus any compensatory picks in any of them. Sharks giving up Meier, Harrington, and Pickles.
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Post by seiched on Feb 26, 2023 15:40:27 GMT -8
Starting to get worried here. It's obviously not for Nemec or Hughes, and I've even seen now that not only is Holtz not part of the deal but he was never discussed. My Spidey sense is starting to tingle here, and unfortunately it's in a "We're getting fleeced" kind of way... Sharks have limited, to say the least, defensive prospects…so my hope is they got Nemec. If they didn’t get Hughes, Nemec, or Mercer then the trade is likely a disaster |
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Post by bellizar on Feb 26, 2023 15:45:05 GMT -8
Absolutly if no nemec or hughes or holtz + mercer, Just fire GMMG on the spot like tomorrow really.
It wouldbe an apocalpys for the sharks not just a simply disaster.
If GMMG screwed this up then he dugd he's on grave and the sharks for at least 6-7 years or more.
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Post by kzooshark on Feb 26, 2023 15:53:28 GMT -8
It's taking so long to find out the return, there's going to be a new trade that's the "big story" first.
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Post by richie88 on Feb 26, 2023 15:55:09 GMT -8
I'm not expecting them to get Hughes & I've read that Nemec's off limits, so they need to get Mercer & good secondary assets for this trade to be worthwhile.
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Post by bellizar on Feb 26, 2023 15:57:31 GMT -8
I hope it changed cause then trading Timo is not simply stupidity its madness.
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Post by jamnjon on Feb 26, 2023 16:05:25 GMT -8
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Post by NashvilleShark on Feb 26, 2023 16:12:27 GMT -8
I wonder which team's fan based is going to be really pissed off once the full trade agreement is made public?
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Post by jamnjon on Feb 26, 2023 16:12:38 GMT -8
Not real, disregard my original post
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Post by peanutgallery on Feb 26, 2023 17:02:15 GMT -8
Still no word on what’s coming back. So strange. Please let it be game-changing for the org!
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Post by caopine on Feb 26, 2023 17:19:45 GMT -8
So based on Sheng's re-tweets, athletic writer says Zetterlund and '23 1st are "part" of the deal. Then Sportsnet says it's not a done deal as there is injury concern that one of the players is a little banged up. Who on the Devils is worthwhile and has some kind of injury right now?
Never mind- Elliotte Friedman says - not a major piece "So here's what I think is going on with SJ/NJ: one of the players involved (not a major piece) is injured...the two teams are sorting it out."
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